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10 to 14 December 2002
Forum Grimaldi, Dance
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Comments upon the experience of Pleasure Machine2/Blindate
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12.10.02
Je l’ai trouvé trés interessante. Quand je ne suis pas l’image
que je vais, que je suis en contact improvisation, j’ai l’impression
d’avoir un bandeau sur les yeux et d’être concentré sur
mon intérieur. En revanche le fait de faire les mêmes mouvements
que les bonhommes et de se voir me permet d’avoir une conscience precise
de mes deplacements et de l’espace.
Merci.
Pontal Marion
pontalmarion@hotmail.com
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My experience:
Very confusing, you loose your sense of orientation totally but it’s fun.
The only thing I miss right now is to see what I did. With a dancer, it must
be very nice and gracious. I don’t know if I would do that in front of
everyone but it stays very interesting. The noise makes you feel you’re
in a totally different world.
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V. fun idea, but a bit confusing to understand. Would probably be much more
effective when completely dark room. Makes you feel quite lost in the space.
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Mon experience
- à demontres que le casque audio-visuel est trés interessant
au niveau des deplacements dans l’espace. Egalement au niveau des mouvemenets
par raport à l’autre personne.
- Puisqu’il nous permet d’analyser et de combiner espace, mouvement
des 2 personnes.
- En revanche, le casque est beaucoup trop prés des yeux, ceux qui combine
les deux images en une, entrainent la confusion des deux personages visuals.
- Merci.
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Notre experience: l’idée est trés interessante. Le déplacement
dans l’espace et les mouvements sont interpretés de façon
different. Mais on ne comprend pas toujours les deplacements et les movements
des personages, les cables gerent un peut les mouvements surtout pour le contact
impro, on ne peu faire que quelques movements limités.
Ce fut une agreeable experience. Merci.
Severine – Laetitia
letgeo@caremail.com
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12.11.02
Nice way of ma… the blue … , but why not a blue wave, balloon, or
bubble…
Wolf-Ka
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Sylvie Ageon
silage@wanadoo.fr
(le sans)
etrange experience, qui move.. qui? L’homme, la machine, mais aussi la
liberté.
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if professional dancers do this together, what would happen? Because they try
to follow the pictures at first, but soon they move by themselves, I guess.
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Considero que las imagines perden su impulso demasiado pronto, y que son demasiado
elementales; la imaginacion se active com mayor rapidez y profundidad a partir
del sonido y del espacio del outro (el contacto, por supuesto). La demonstration
seria mas adequada en un espacio totalmente oscuro.
Gustavoemiliox@yahoo.com
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coutures ne laissent pas assez l’air passer. Son oppressant.
Trop de directives electroniques coupent relation à l’autre.
A quoi ceci peut’il amaner?
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Ideé de suivre les movement et bien, mais j’aie du mal a m’accorder(?)
à la machine.
(drawing signature – like a smiling asian and a spiral
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it’s a very interesting system but the movements are some times hard to
follow.
YBY
L’ideé semble trés interessant et intrigant! Really nice
and funny. And I’m tired!
(a smiling face)
mariuse-urbaniak@monaco377.com
"Droles" de mouvements! Des nombreuse et nouvelles possibilities s’ouvrent
avec cette "machine" …
C’est une machine à faire dancer sans musique. C’est un juke-box
sans disques.
Jean-Jean
Je trouve qui c’a fait une drole de sensation, c’est tres bizarre
et c’est marrant.
It’s very good.
HB
Je trouve que c’est bizarre, on comprend pas tout le temps, mais c’est
bien c’est drôle. A quoi ça sert, je c’est pas.
Mathilde
Je trouve que c’est trés marrant qu’avec un ordinateur, on
arrive à un tel resultat. La technologie a bien avancé.
Thank you very much, it’s very good.
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-> C’etais trés amusant de les commandés car ils faisaient
tout ce qu’on leurs disaient.
-> C’est super il y a beaucoup de technique. Bravo c’est super
merci beaucoup
-> C’estait bien, je ne sais pas à quoi ça sert mais ça
nous a permis de conaitre ce truc, enfin bref c’etait trop bien.
Audree
-> Le commandateur de mouvement ne nous fait pas bouger et l’ecrant
bouge toujour de place et il est tres pres des yeux et sa fait mal?
Guillaume (?)
-> C’etait bien marrant amusant. C’etait cool.
Checcage (?)
-> It’s a good idea. I think that you should use the sound for the movement.
It’s a super idea!
Gian
-> Je trouve que c’est amusant et trés interessant de faire ça
car ça peut nous servir pour notre itineraire de découverte.
Karine
-> J’ai trouver ça pas super car c’est pas encore au point
ça ne m’a pas plus
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-> c’etait trop cool je me suis eclaté l’image en sinteze
etait bien faite.
Gaelle et Benoit
-> C’etait bien mais il fallait manier les 2 c’etait dur mais bien.
Max
Classe 5eme 3
College Port Olympia (?)
31 Bld Stalingrad
06300 Nice
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12.12.02
Marion
- would like to be freer in the movement, so no cabling. Otherwise I have to
split my attention taking care of the wires.
- In first instance I missed information/instruction flow, but after a while
I discovered space for improvisation and interpretation.
- Questions: I wonder how much my inside experience which was a very present
kind of state would be reflected/visible on the outside.
- Go on.
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12.13. 02
As an observer, I felt there could be interesting possibilities, perhaps, to
see the effects of long-distance controlling of the movers. The direction could
come from anywhere.
While giving the direction from the computer, I felt the set-up made it terribly
difficult to actually give them directional input, as the movements were so
slight that I had the impression the movers couldn’t perceived what was,
to me, obvious shift. They seemed to grasp left/right directional movement,
but often showed no reaction to front/back direction. Is there a way that the
computer could see the dancers at the same time as giving them direction?
Interesting that the movers could not see one another, but could see the representations
of themselves. Perhaps with suggestion and practice they could experiment with
relation to one another’s bodies more, less direction imitation of the
visual representations they see in their headsets.
I would be interested to see how the music interacts with movers when they take
the space, experiment with different dynamics and speeds. Is it possible to
control the two movers from two inputs, so that the two people could give simultaneous
input?
Even if there were two inputs and one controller, it would increase possibilities
for interaction, I feel.
I wonder what their sensation of touch is, personally, with no sight on each
other but on virtual representations, and with spandex fabric? Do they think
of that? Where is the dancer’s attention?
Very interesting interactive possibilities! I wonder if they were cognizant
of the music changes? They didn’t seem to react t o changes – perhaps
help them trigger sounds that they can in turn react to.
I am interested in any info you write, have on the progression of this work,
please feel free to email.
Miranda Crispin
Miranda@stagelogic.com
Stagelogic. USA/France
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Magali Buono 13.12.02. Monaco.
Cette experience etait difficile avec le materiel. Je portais le casque, qui
etait trop prés des yeux et m’obligeait à boujer, et je ne
voyais pas bien les formes.
La concentration etait surpenante, on est dans l’ecran, coupe du dehors,
et quand le trouble de l’image ne m’ocupais plus, je me suis pri au
jeu de fair onduler le movement indiqué tres rigide.
C’etias une experience interessante à vivre, mais à regarder?
On ne comprend pas. Pour une danceuse ça peu-etre frustant, experience
etait glaceé, frontale, on oublie l’energie
dansante.
mbuono@free.fr
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12.14.02
Trés interessant et meme genial comme concept. Une conception robotic
qui rejoint l’improvisation,
merci encore,
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It is an interesting idea to have someone at a terminal control someone else’s
movement.
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GOING THROUGH THIS EXERCISE, I DIDN’T KNOW IF I WAS HUMAN ANYMORE OR IF
I WAS BECOMING AN AUTOMATE MYSELF. IN BETWEEN REAL LIFE AND VIRTUAL…
NIKOLAS P. MOWARD
14 OF DEC 02
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A question – what does it mean to have your leader ‘in your face.’
This is how I felt – lead by the nose … or eyes.
The homemade one is too close to really see.
Whish the avatars give me more interesting movement to do. Maybe something more
abstract to inspire movement – what if we were to do a blind duet inspired
by a field of flowers in the visor – less copying – more freedom of
movement.
Food for thought. Interesting stuff.
Jodi@capacitor.org
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Oppresion. Close-up to an android.
So much far from my friend Magali. Didn’t feel her.
Hard noise who makes me feel rigid.
Cramp.
Nothing to think about. Only reception of information. Red direction. Feel the
technological ‘fill’.
Nothing around, hard to keep the equi… libre
Thank you!
Marie SOHN 176 rue de Monpoly 63110 Beaumont.
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artista brasileira
my experience with the interface was confusing with the larger device. I couldn’t
see in focus . when I tried the other pair of glasses I could actually see the
model.
The blue figure is not as strong as the red one, maybe the color could change
to a stronger color.
A joystick could work better for the person conductive the image in the monitor.
The movement of the head is not perceived by the user of the device.
Instead of clicking in order tro move the figure, it would be better if one
could put the cursor on the part of the body to be moved.
Thanks for the experience!
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Maria Ines Villasmil
Great idea! I was thinking that one way to improve the vision is to add a possibility
to focus the vision (as the video camera. Then each person can adapt the image
to his own eyes/perception.
I also had the idea of a very private performance each person can see what they
want (this added to the possibility to see something (what they want) and also
receive messages while they see through the glasses.
Good luck!
Maria Inés
To add…
Instead of using the mouse and click can the user go to the figure and drag
into the exrtremities (and not clicking into the bar menu) using the cursor.
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need to improve to sense the speed + dynamics of movements. Will be good for
video-games’ ideas such as karate/ games in the shops.
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J’ai bien aimé l’experience. Elle nous force à developpee
une aytre perais pas celception de l’espace dans le quelle nos sommes,
surtout en relation avec l’autre, je ne voyais pas, parfois, le lien entre
le sen, nos movement et l’image dans les lunettes. Et je ne voyais pas
bien celle-ci. Experience singuliére
Sylvie Chartrand
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Une experience interessant dans le sens o_ elle est totalement nouvelle. Cependant
c’est un travail qui demand plus d’approfondissent visuel; (surtout
au niveau ça reste trés peu perceptible). Également une
experience enrichissante qui ouvre des perspectives nouvelles sur l’avenir
de la danase.
Chloe Jourdan
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Cette experience est interessante et origiginal, malgree les difficultes visuelles.
Je ne voyais pas toujours le bonhomme dans des geste précis, et il etait
floue. J’ai apprécié cette experience qui est original.
Aurélie Richichi
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A very interesting way to experience movement whith y strong possibilities for
development. I admire the fact that you are attempting to influence real human
movement by using remote commands – this is a difficult problem but you
have made a very good start. Perhaps you could consider adding some form of
sensory feedback to the system to give the performers an additional cue. The
head-mounted display was a little hard to focus on. However I very much enjoyed
using the system and I look forward to seeing what you do with it in the future.
Regards,
John Anderson (Scotland)
john@codeblue.uk.com
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C’etait étrange et le casque grattais. Des progress a faire mais
une bonne idé dans l’ensemble.
Gaêl
Le casque est un peu trop prés du visage et donc on ne vois pas bien
le personage.
Alexis
Comments immersion questions
J’ai bien aimé l’experience. Elle nous force à developé
une autre perception de l’espace dans le quelle nos sommes, surtout en
relation avec l’autre, je ne voyais pas, parfois, le lien entre le sen,
nos movement et l’image dans les lunettes. Et je ne voyais pas bien celle-ci.
Experience singuliére. Sylvie Chartrand
Oppression. Close-up to an android. So much far from my friend Magali. Didn’t
feel her. Hard noise makes me feel rigide. Cramp. Nothing to think about. Only
reception of information. Red direction. Feel the technological ‘fil’.
Nothing around, hard to keep the equi… libre. Thank you! Marie Sohn
Going through this exercise, I didn’t know if I was human anymore or if
I was becoming an automate myself. In between real life and virtual... Nikolas
Moward
In first instance I missed information/instruction flow, but after a while I
discovered space for improvisation and interpretation. Marion
Trés interessant et meme genial comme concept. Une conception robotic
qui rejoint l’improvisation, merci encore, (non legible signature)
La concentration etait surpenante, on est dans l’ecran, coupe du dehors,
et quand le trouble de l’image ne m’ocupais plus, je me suis pri au
jeu de fair onduler le movement indiqué tres rigide. Magali Buono
C’est une machine à faire dancer sans musique. C’est un juke-box
sans disques, Middle school kid.